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ISAIAH 9: 6-7

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Isaiah 45: 5-7. 5am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

 Isaiah 45:18-19

18For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.

Is it true? Will it happen?

God has control of evil as well as good? Control over everything then?Why then the horror in the world today if God is good? If there is a God, He has given us power to bring the horror to an end, and there does not have to be a great "end time" battle that both Muslims and Christians wait for.

 Corinthians 6: 1-8  1Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints(believers)2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. 5I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? 6But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. 7Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? 8Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

 

If we accept for the moment that all the above is not a Myth (i.e. a story without any, or much truth in it), having read both the Bible and Qur'an, it may be the case that this “Government”  of Christ could  begin even now, with no special “revealing” of Christ first. The scripture does indicate this (Please read  www.ACertainMyth.com). "Believers" or the "Saints" of God  may just "burst forth" amongst us as flowers do   "we know not how" (see Isaiah 61 and Mark 4 below). Even as Smith Wigglesworth  and Dorothy Kerin did  (see details toward the end of this page) and as Robby Dawkins in his recent book "Do what Jesus Did" seems to be doing to a lesser extent, and others also. There are several avenues of a "message" one could develop from the Bible and the Qur'an because they contradict themselves and are  not consistent i.e. they have contradictions. But there could still be a message from God in them jointly because no message is meant, perhaps,  to be "cast in stone" or "fixed", and we  therefore have opportunity and freedom  to change the outcome for the better, or worse, as regrefully the Islamic State (I.S.) have done. For how can such brutality be of God? How can God want us to kill a woman for not dressing correctly? How can murder be a punishment for incorrect dress or by providing an image  or picture of the Prophet of the Qur'an? Or multiple rape, that I.S. and even others of the Muslim faith seem to do at times, how can this be acceptable before God? Or circumcision for women be done AT ALL, for female circumcision  not mentioned AT ALL in the Bible or Qur'an, nor is it mentioned that an image of a Prophet should be not be done or is punishable in any way. It is only  mentioned in the Bible  that we should not make an image of God. Nevertheless the Old Testament is quite brutal and racist, however, the Messiah, if it is Jesus, which the Qur'an agrees he is (the Jews do not) has now fulfilled the Old Testament Law of Moses (The Torah) and which taught  "an eye for an eye", type punishment, and Jesus has now brought in "love is the fulfulment of the Law" and abolished all other religious laws, be they Torah or Sharia laws  of diet, dress, circumcison, worship days etc, and it is now "love is the fulfillment of the law" and  "love does no harm  to its neighbour" (please see www.ACertainMyth.com).  Yet all of us, when we get "stuck" into a belief system (a set of words we believe as true) in our minds, we may lose track of common sense until we allow other words into our minds, to consider them. We inwardly and perhaps unconsciously fear  that these extra "words" will abolish our "truth" and then our God, and then our hope for life after death,  so  we will not let these other words "in" and instead become angry or upset at those that challenge our faith or beliefs. I can certainly reassure you that that these "other words" will not abolish our "truth" but  bring a deeper "truth" and understanding. Let other words in, consider them, and then decide to reject them, or not, but you will not reject it, for you will have greater understanding and it will all make more sense.

If the Bible is true with regard to prayer, we may even have  control of Christs return to a certain extent, depending on what we do..and pray. Perhaps also, even some of the Governments (and other institutions) we have in the world already have some of those people in them, i.e. the "saints" who try and govern justly and fairly, trying to serve the public good. "Saints" or "believers" in their intent to do good for others, but not showing the miraculous yet, for it is not their "gifting" from God,  or  perhaps not yet in their "understanding" or expectation yet, but only governance, administration, or medicine or similar. So the "Kingdom of God" may already be in progress, but we do not realise it. Jesus did say (Mark 17:20) the kingdom will not come with "observation" 
The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.  

I do not know how many in the Government, or the UK believe in "God"  for it is accepted that religion is kept separate for politics, but people have beliefs  kept privately and which still make people act with integrity,
if they are the correct beliefs. If they are incorrect beliefs based on incorrect words, or not ALL of the words of God, then people will act incorrectly and follow destructive aims through that lack of knowledge, due to not having read ALL the words in these books. This is what is happening with the Islamic terrorism and  "forced" conversion and oppression of women and girls. We have to read the BIBLE "the scriptures from "aforetime" as well and here the other 20 Prophets of the Bible, as the Qur'an tells us to do. If we do not we will not find FULL   "truth" or "paradise" for this is received by hearing/reading certain  "words" which Jesus spoke on behalf of God, which are in the Gospels of the Bible.  The Qur'an has Jesus telling us to obey Jesus.  Surah 3: 47-50   47. She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). Allah createth what He will. if He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. 48. And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel.49. And will make him a messenger unto the children of Israel, (saying): Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are believers. 50. And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me


Certainly we take for granted in the UK and  its stability of Government and the services, and the people in those services who maintain the same for the people of the Country. The Politicians cannot all be "corrupt" as some imply, otherwise we would not have this stability. What the world needs is that stability in every country, and better. For even some of the UK institutions are failing recently, the child abuse in Goverment and the Church and Social Care. The  failures of the Judicial system and the Police, the NHS and the Social Care system. Yet perhaps  the ones who unfairly judge ALL  the Government members and public servants  and generalise are also the ones at fault. Even the rich and the Queen have to work. The Queen does  what she sees as her "duty" and bears the stress of being in the "public  eye"  and attending numerous meetings, never "unknown" wherever she goes. The rich still have  to work for their "degree" and/or their business, often  with very long hours, some have worked up  from poverty and great difficulty to riches.

Many who complain about the Government and rich,  claim benefit and have done very little to help themselves, believing it is a "right" that they should be supported to a certain level of benefit and lifestyle, but it is not the rich they take money from, but their compatriots, the tax payer. Benefit is meant to be a "buffer" against being out on the street with no food and shelter. Some expect  to maintain a lifestyle for years  with 1 or more pets, cigarettes, alcohol, TV and phones, expensive tattoes and numerous children that even the rich often cannot afford to have. I am also not sure the "food banks" are being used by the truly poor, but by some that mismananage their benefits and money they have been given, buying and maintaining all the above "luxuries".

We ALL have to live with integrity, wherever we may find ourselves in life. We cannot expect a rich mans lifestyle if we do not work for it, or do not have the skills and ability for it. In the UK we all have opportunity for an education to raise us out of poverty, but even academic study requires discipline,  and maintaining a business or high powered job is stressful and long hours. Most of  us cannot do it, I  could not, and if we cannot, we should not blame others and claim as a right, more and more benefit from others  and then spend it on pets, cigarettes and alchohol instead of food and rent. We should be thankful that there are some that are  willing to  bring all these basic services to us (water, waste collection, basic benefit) and create the jobs that we, who are not so accomplished,  can work at and make a living. I speak of myself in this, I left school at 15 and have one GCE in English Language which I obtained at evening class. Even in that I only achieved a Grade C. But this opened the door for me to do my S.E.N nurse training in 1982. I have only always had just enough money to "get by" and have had 3 overseas holidays and maybe 4  1 week UK holidays in my 60 years of life. I do not smoke nor drink nor have a pet. I keep within my means now, whereas before I bought things on credit card and had a lot of debt, never again, there are many things we can do without.

If you cannot afford it, do not buy it. Rent, bills and feeding ourselves and children our own responsibility, before having a pet, smoking, drinking alcohol  or conceiving  a child when we may already have no home or job. All sectors of society have to play their part, even children and teenagers, particularly the youth perhaps, as they have the power to turn things around in the world, if they can perceive where the world and its leaders may have failed  and change it for the better.  They could begin perhaps,   by knowing what God is
really saying to us,  and abolish the religious  errors of teaching whch will abolish the religious wars at least, either by proving there is no God, or proving that there is and making it known to all people, for the correct  message of God  is about of justice, kindness, peace, fairness, experience of miraculous and abolition of ALL  religious laws, be they Jewish, Christian or Muslim (i.e. Sharia law).


There is also the possibility that the great “battle” between Satan and/or man and God, that most believers of the Muslim and Christian faith believe will come, and the  Jews probably,  does not necessarily have to happen, for in the  verse in Joel 2: 12-14 it says God  could  "repent" (turn from) the “day of the Lord”. He also invites us in Isaiah 1: 18  to "Come let us reason together”, for, because of Christ, we are His children and to be equal with Jesus  as an "image" of God, as in "likeness" with his power IN us, when we believe in Jesus Christ as his Son, sent by God. For Jesus said "This is Life  Eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent" (John 17:3).

The question is.. are any of the Words of God true? I believe they are, due to what I and others have experienced, but we have to look deeper and sort out  the "words"  of God so that we ALL know what we are aiming for. Then for ALL people to know what the correct message is and aim for its goals, which are God's goal, which is: 
And the LORD said, I have pardoned according to thy word: But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD. (Numbers 14:21).

Joel 2: 12-14 (see also full chapter below)12Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: 13And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of (turns from) the evil. 14Who knoweth if   he will return and repent (turn from), and leave a blessing behind him;

Isaiah 1:18-20. Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 19If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: 20But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Isaiah 61: 11 For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.

Mark 4: 23-29 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear. 24And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given. 25For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath. 26And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; 27And should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how. 28For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear. 29But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come. 30And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? 31It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth: 32But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.


But you need to read
www.acertainmyth.com (or  the book) in order that you can see the scripture supports that which  I write. We should all perhaps imagine how we would judge the world and its people justly if we were part of  the “saints” of God ruling with Jesus with God’s Spirit IN us. For this appears to be the way it is meant to be, IF the words in the Bible and Qur’an hold any  truth, and in which miracles should be present with "believers" as "proof" that God is with them.

If we do not experience the miraculous, then the Bible and Torah and  Prophets  in it are not true, and neither is the Qur’an, for it supports Jesus as the Messiah and all the other Jewish Prophets. The Qur'an  also DOES seem to agree that Jesus was miraculously conceived,  and if this is the case  we are ALL therefore obliged, even from the words in the Qur’an, to accept Jesus  was a child of the Holy Ghost (by the Spirit and Power of God), in other words, the Son of God.  As Jesus said in Mark 4: 24 above we have to "Take heed what we hear", i.e. the words that we follow and believe and act upon. It is very important, for we often rely and trust on what our families, preachers and leaders and  others teach us and they do not always know the whole story either. We need to know the words ourselves  for we are all at different levels of knowledge, understanding and spirtitual maturity,  depending on what we have read and experienced in life.

 

Mathew 1:18-23 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 

 

Surah: 3: 47 -51 She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). Allah createth what He will. if He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. 48. And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel. 49. And will make him a messenger unto the children of Israel, (saying): Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are believers. 50. And (I come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me 51. Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.

 

If we then, who know ALL the words of the Bible and Qur’an, we are then no longer Jews, or Christians, or Muslims, nor Hindu, or Budhist etc, should these   also read the above 2 books and/or agree with the overall brief message provided in A Certain Myth. We ALL may become “saints” of God, with Gods spirit IN us, acting with integrity and sincerity and incorruptible, in other words, not led astray by fraudulent  acts and intentions i.e. corruption, which is rampant in all sectors of life, councils, sport, politics, church, police, judges  AND society in general.

Yet there are some in the UK government AND society now who could be   the “saints” of God, for not all politicians and people are corrupt, but seek to serve the public and believe in  God, but like us all, have only the partial message of God.  We should not take for granted that in the UK we have politicians who DO manage  a welfare  system that supports us at bad times, and some   who do manage  our finances so that we are not like Greece,  for it is no good calling for an end to "austerity" as even the Scottish and Labour MP's do,  if there is no tax money coming in to pay for all these benefits, or we allow so many immigrants/asylum seekers in we collapse under strain and become like Greece, or Africa. We have to be realistic.

We have clean water to drink and  an NHS service available to all free of charge, but it will not be this way soon if it is not controlled with integrity  and those that use it do not abuse it, for as well as politicians that may be corrupt, we have those within society the corrupt, this includes the  immigrants AND the English also. 

We are not a  “saint”  we often say, maybe this  term should now  be true in the literal sense, for if we join the “saints” of God as described on this site (and not as those described in the Catholic church, that is another topic) we become those “believers” or “saints”  of integrity and who do not abuse the system and who seek to be honourable in our actions, not perfect perhaps, but with integrity, doing the right thing for all of the UK and the world, whether we are English or immigrant, and as  is according to the  Bible and supported by The Qur'an and along the lines of the verse below and in more depth in  
www.acertainmyth.com. 

 

Galatians 5: 20-26

But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law24And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.26Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Mathew 5:17 Think not that I (Jesus) am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 
 

James 2: 8  If  ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 

Romans 13: 7- 10 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

There are more in society abusing the UK system than there are Politicians, we all have the potential for it. Sometimes  it is done without really thinking  fully on our actions and the results of them.

 

The following is the “future” of the Government of God and Christ and his “Saints” and that we are to be One New Nation without race or preference to anyone. Without need of religious  laws of dress, hair length, beard, circumcision etc but “faith that works by love” and belief  in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and his word,  who has  fulfilled  the law of Moses, as explained on this site and in A Certain Myth which is free to read and download from www.ACertainMyth.com or to buy as a book from www.Amazon.co.uk  (or .com if out of the UK).

 

Psalm 22:28-31 
For the kingdom is the LORD’S: and he is the governor among the nations.  All they that  be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a  people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

 

Deuteronomy 33: 22-29  1And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. 2And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. 3Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words. 

Ephesians 2: 14-22 For he is our peace, who hath made both (Jews and Gentiles) one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us (the Jews and Gentiles15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain(two) one new man (i.e. Jews and Gentiles no longer separated, one being  “chosen” (Jews) with access to God, the other (Gentiles) not being chosen with no access to God)  so making peace (between the Jews and Gentiles); 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body (the “body” of the church of ALL believers in God)  by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17And came and preached peace to you which were afar off (the Gentiles – all those not Jews), and to them that were nigh(near)  (the Jews..which are those that remain of the 12 tribes of Israel, the tribe of Judah being one- see Baseline story heading on this website) 18For through him we both (now) have access by one Spirit (the Holy Spirit, given to  believers after Christ was crucified) unto the Father. 19Now therefore ye (Gentiles) are no more strangers and foreigners (to the house of God), but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. (We now ALL have equal access to God when we know THE ONE TRUE MESSAGE OF GOD  and hear his words in the Gospels in the Bible and receive the Spirit of God IN us as Jesus also had IN him).


Jude 1: 14
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,


Revelation 15: 3-4
And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints4Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.


Daniel 7:13-28 (The "horns" are symbolic for goverments/kings/leaders, and some, perhaps all, have already passed, please see www.ACertainMyth.com)
13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.15I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. 16I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things. 17These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. 18But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. 19Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; 20And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. 21I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; (this may already have happened)22Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. 23Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. 25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 26But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. (all the above in red may already have happened)27And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. 28Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.

Reading the following chapter in Zecheriah and Joel. It would seem, even after his Kingdom has come, that God still has a harsh end for those who continue to do ill and those that come against Israel in particular, and difficulty also for those who are the "saints". It would appear that God is  not all love and compassion if we do  not  act with reason and  good intent to others, but  maybe not  his lack of love, but more the exercise of Justice against those that continue to be unreasonable, difficult and unwilling to change to the detriment of all. Perhaps even God's kingdom cannot work if there is constant rebellion against what is best for all, but in the Kingdom of God,   or Government, it is the "power" of God that will punish, not men with swords, hence the "plague" it speaks of below As mentioned earlier, depending on OUR bahviour, God could "turn" from what is described below,  please also read in full www.acertainmyth.com. Even this "plague" seems unpleasant and unnecesary and if I was one of the "saints" I would be pleading for a quicker, less unpleasant  death, or some separation from  others until they learnt differently, and to leave the animals untouched.  Moses also successfully pleaded with God about Sodom and Gomorrah (see Genesis 18 on Home Page side listing).

But again is ANY of it  true?
Such verses  below makes one doubt, but  I have not given up yet. The Muslims also believe in the "Jinn" similar to the evil "spirits" that Christians claim can possess, or affect a person and their lives and the world, and that Jesus spoke of also. Some Muslim "healers" also claim to have  experienced  the power of such "Spirits" or "Jinn"as do some Christians, as perhaps  I have.  We all need to read  ALL the Bible and ALL the Qur'an, or at the very least www.ACertainMyth.com which gives a 1-3 hour read of what is perhaps THE ONE TRUE MESSAGE OF GOD by someone having read both books more thoroughly than most. Without knowing ALL the words in these books and also a little history so that we can discern what may have already passed that is spoken of in these books,  we act without full knowledge and become victims of our own lack of knowledge.

Through lack of knowledge we may even seek to  die unnecessarily and without reward, because we have misinterpreted the words and our place in history. Without knowing ALL the words, we  will never know what is true or not. For instance the "coming against Israel" by the nations has probably already passed and we are just now waiting for Christs return and the signs in the sky and seas (please see www.acertainmyth.com). 


 Zechariah 141Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.(This may have already happened in 70AD when the Jewish Temple was destroyed by the Romans and the jews carried captive and dispersed throughout the world until 1948 when Israel was established) 3Then shall the LORD go forth (this may be speaking of some time afterwards, not necessarily immediately afterwards, and God could also "repent" or "turn" from any "battle" depending on our behaviour), and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.6And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:7But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. 10All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.11And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.12And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. (which  is perhaps why Europe, Australia, USA, New Zealand which is mostly  Christian generally  support Israel perhaps, as well as political reasons, Islam does not because they do not read the Bible and see these words)13And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.14And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.15And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.20In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD’S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

 

The above and the following may not occur as per my remarks on this page  and verses 12-17 below  which indicate God could repent if he chose to, and  turn from the troubles described. It may also be that what has been described below has already come to pass, for in Acts 2:14-22, Peter the disciple says that the Holy Spirit that came upon them all 50 days after Jesus was crucified, and thereafter on all those that believed in Jesus,  was fulfillment of the Prophecy of Joel 2 below. The Prophecy says that AFTER those horrendous days described,  the Spirit would be poured out. The New Testament and Acts in particular confirms that the  Spirit of God has already been poured out.  I and others have also  experienced it.  This implies that the trouble described is probably referring to what happened in 70 AD  when the Temple of Jerusalem was destroyed and the city and the  Jews carried captive to Rome and dispersed amongst the world until 1948 when the state of Israel was established.  Please see www.acertainmyth.com.

This Spirit of God  brings, and has brought,  healing
and is the "proof" Surah 2: 111 requests.


Surah 2: 111.
And they say: None entereth Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian. These are their own desires.
Say: Bring your proof (of what ye state) if ye are truthful.

The miracles are the proof.

Please also see www.smithwigglesworth.com  (1859-1947) and www.burrswood.org.uk/about burrswood/our history please also see the pdf files  at the bottom of that page link and  also obtain if possible, the book from their bookshop link  on that page, “The Living Touch and The Fulfilling” by Dorothy Kerin (1889-1963) it is a remarkable  healing and testimony and was in the newspapers at the time (1912). The book is Currently £7.50.  To place an order for  "The Living Touch and The Fulfilling"  Call 01892.865996 or email bookshop@burrswood.org.uk. Please also read the excerpts of my own book and experience which is on this website under heading A Certain Life with A Certain Message" and go to side page A Certain Life/1988 Prophecy 

But the Spirit is  for ALL people who believe in the words and message of Jesus Christ, not just for Jews and Christians. For perhaps we should  not called  that any more, nor called Muslims, or Hindu or Budhist,   but "saints"  or "believers" of God, but only if acting  with honesty  and integrity and following the ONE TRUE MESSAGE OF GOD as described in www.acertainmyth.com.


Joel 2
As mentioned above, most of what is described below has likely already passed or can be avoided depending on what WE, the people of the world do.

1Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; 2A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. 3A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. 4The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. 5Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. 6Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness. 7They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: 8Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. 9They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. 10The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: 11And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it? 12Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: 13And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. 14Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God? 15Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: 16Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. 17Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?18Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people. 19Yea, the LORD will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen: 20But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things. 21Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things. 22Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength. 23Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month24And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil. 25And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. 26And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. 27And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and thatam the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit30And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.


Acts 2:14-22 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:19And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know.


All the above may have already occurred,for Jerusalem and the Jews have suffered much over the centuries and what is written contradicts itself to a certain extent and is ambiguous, unclear, no-one knows for sure how to interpret it, and there are many interpretations of it. If we did all understand it fully, we would not have so many "messages" or "faiths" about God. The above verses in Joel 2:28-29  implies that the attacks against Jerusalem HAVE ALREADY PASSED and we therefore only wait for Christs return. Why would God make his message so unclear when there are many who desire to follow Him? This must be either because the Bible and Qur'an have no truth in them, or perhaps  we have not looked and sought deeply enough in order that we are following the full and correct message of God, and then  matured and learnt what we are meant to learn before he can return. If we kill and fight each other, we are still behaving like children.  

What is spiritual  maturity then, particularly if the peaceful nations have to deal with a leader like Hitler or Stalin? Who forced wars upon the peaceful nations.  Maturity  in the secular sense must be diplomacy and coming together in peaceful discussion to resolve issues for a fair and just benefit of all, not just the benefit for one country or nation. But then we have leaders  and/or  their people expecting to obtain an unfair benefit over another i.e. saying "I must work in the best interests of ........". A nation and people will not always  obey the rules and yet still expect a financial "bail out" even though some may have not worked, or  lived sensibly and caused their own problem, but they may not recognise  that they are at fault either, but instead just listen and believe what they have been taught by  their society, that they have a "right" to a certain lifestyle, as do many of those on "benefit" and also those who work, yet are struggling financially.

But  we are all "struggling financially" because we buy things we cannot afford thinking that it is our "right" to have everything we want, even if we have to borrow for it. We have no "rights" in life really, only what "man" has set up for us, and will only be maintained if the economies of the world remain strong. If the economies fail, as the banks nearly did in 2008, we will ALL be struggling and there will be poverty and trouble for all, we will all be like Africa, or Greece. We need to be  realistic, there is much we can do without and we are being very selfish if we purposely or carelessly bring children into the world when we have no home, no stable partner and no job or income except benefit.

Life is hard we say, why bring children into the world to suffer then, when you have no stability or income or home,   it is your  children that suffer the most in such situations and you have no right to blame society, or expect society to support you. You may have a child early in life and before you realised it was a mistake, as I also could have done, by chance, I did not. But if you are in a difficult situation,  do not aggressively demand that society is not giving enough to you, but start being sensible with your money and your life. Benefit was not designed for long term semi luxury life style, but for short term basic needs  rescue. In some E.U. countries this is all they get for 6 months.

How can this be dealt with? 

Initially we need to sort out what is of God, and what is not, so that we can establish if there is One True Message of God, and then make sure it is available in all languages. This would abolish the religious wars at least. The One True Message of God as I  understand it now, after a lifetime of searching,  is  that we seek justice and fairness for all and avoid war and look for the overall good of the world. If we know the TRUE message of God, it should also bring miracles of healing and deliverance. If this IS  the TRUE message of God  and we made it  known throughout the world, even the Israeli/Palestinian problem would be resolved, for the incorrect  "half"  message of ALL  these faiths would be removed and the "battle of words" of these belief systems would be replaced with the FULL message, and trust could be established between Israel and the Middle East and elsewhere in the world.

If all the world had a common goal, and belief system that was known and taught in schools together with the other faiths and was not kept hidden from the public, we could all be working for common good knowing what we are working towards.  If the "masses" know what is the main aim for the common good and the behaviour required to achieve that aim, the "masses" might also eventually overule  the difficult and unjust rulers, by quiet non violent protest, similar to that which occurred in Spain and Hong Kong in the past. Society, or the "masses" will know how to teach their children the correct values, for some children do not have  parents at all, or parents that have not taught them the basics, children not having received loving correction when young, nor advice on life, on how to deal with it and their fellow humans.  There is much we could do, now that we have the internet. Lets not think that it cannot be done, that we cannot change,  let us think that it can be done.. and do it.


Acts 2: 22 above  also states clearly that Jesus was a man approved of God. Therefore  he cannot be  God, not as the Christian Church teaches. He was miraculously conceived by God however, by Gods "Word" as spoken by the Angel Gabriel to Mary. As the Qur'an also comfirms was the case. The "Word" is also  God's Spirit going forth, and which brings the "power"  of God with it. There are many other verses in the Bible which indicate that Jesus is not "God" as such, but the "image" of God as in "likeness" as are we, Jesus being the only born/miraculously conceived Son of God. Please see:  
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